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  1. Time out around here is to give us a chance to calm down and get control over our emotions before addressing behavior issues. I’ll send my boys to their beds to calm down while I go to my room to get calm and pray and look up a scripture or 2 before going into talk with them.

  2. My biggest trouble with creative consequences, is that I can’t remember them after I have issued them. I have 6 kids. How do I remember that child A can’t play video games for the next month, child B can’t play in her room alone, child C can’t have sweets for a week, child D may not ride his bike. etc, and never mind if they have committed more than one “crime” recently.

    It gets too complicated. I’m still in the old camp, the book of Proverbs works for me.

    1. I can understand why you would feel this way. I don’t tend to give consequences for days. It’s actually rather rare. It’s usually things like, “for the rest of dinner” or for the rest of the day. Occasionally, I will remove technology privileges for days or even a week. I mark it in my calendar, so I know when they get it back. All of that said, Proverbs is a good book and I’m not at all opposed. 🙂

  3. I mostly agree with you, but the hard thing about the way you’ve put it is that it’s not abundantly clear that you mean time-outs as the disciplinary action is not effective. Also, creative consequences work best for older children who already trained and no discipline is one-size fits all. I have a five year old, a three year old, a two year old, and a four month old. The five year old has been a long work in process and while we do try to lean towards creative consequences, he still requires a lot of discipline for being defiant or rude, as well as going out if control when he’s upset by the answer he receives or his consequence. So, since we’re still often training and he reacts so poorly to his consequences sometimes, time-outs are often necessary for him to calm down enough to listen.
    For my three year old, time outs are very “painful” for her so they are pretty effective for training her. I try to do creative consequences as well for her because they are also effective, but most of her need for correction is based on defiance or causing fights and needing to be removed from play.
    And for my two year old, who is aggressive and a rager, every other attempt at discipline sends him over the edge. So we have to put him in a car seat in timeout in his room for discipline because otherwise he can become so out of control he breaks things or hurts himself. He hates it, but because he hates it, the process only takes a minute and then he is willing to apologize and obey. And especially since he is often aggressive and hurting others (and no other discipline has deterred him), making it clear that he will be taken away from playing and can’t be with his friends if he hurts them seemed necessary. We’ve been doing it for about a week now and it’s the first time we’ve seen consistent improvement in obedience, fits, and aggression.
    So, I appreciate and see where you’re coming from, but we ultimately have to seek wisdom from God to know each of our children individually and learn how we can effectively correct them each so we can then teach them to do what is right in his eyes.

  4. The realty is that everyone has to do what is right for them and for their family. I am a special ed teacher with a strong background in behavioral management. I am an advocate for time outs for the right children. 1,2,3 magic with the time out in a slight variation is highly effective for my children. It is not used often and as you said that timeouts for your children were not painful, it is to mine. They do not like timeout, they sob, they are devastated. It is effective. But we do not use it frequently. Time outs used as a routine part of behavioral training is ineffective, it loses it’s purpose. So for us and I am sure for many others timeouts work. Natural consequences are great but they are not always realistic and they do not always happen when we need them to happen.

  5. I agree that acting out needs to be followed with a memorable consequence so that children remember why they don’t want to do that again. It isn’t easy to come up with such consequences on the spot though I’m sure.

  6. I think that, although you make some great points, that teaching a child involves so many different forms of guidance and discipline one could never list them all in one little blog article. I have used time out when the message was that if you behave that way, then no one will want to be around you. A taste of being alone works great when that is the message you want to give. I have used many other methods as well, and they are all based on a situation but situation circumstance. Having said that, I most certainly don’t want every lesson to be “memorable”. Big lessons, absolutely! But in day to day life I want my daughter’s memories to be of all the good stuff, not lessons, I want most lessons to just slowly seep in by observation. Day to day child rearing requires some very low impact discipline, and time out do fits in to the low impact category, as you are right, they aren’t “painful or memorable”. I really love your third point about training by the heart. This is the approach I have taken most of the time with my daughter. I can’t say that I have never timed my daughter out because I’m annoyed, or that I have never timed myself out because I am annoyed but I also can’t say that those time outs weren’t beneficial to both of us.

  7. You say your end goal is to raise children who choose to do right because it is right. You also say that when your teacher put soap in your mouth for biting another child you never did that again because you did not want that punishment again. You did right out of a fear of punishment. Your teacher did not teach you another way to resolve the issue, manage your frustration or to have compassion on the child you bit.

    Time out is not the issue. Neither is punishment. Or imposing the right consequences. They need us to teach them. What SHOULD they do? How do they fix it when they have made mistakes or hurt someone else? Kids don’t have the emotional maturity, experience or ability to see things from an adult perspective. Do they know better? Sometimes. Can they always make their behavior line up with what they know? No. And heck, I still do things I know I shouldn’t . Have you ever eaten food that is unhealthy? Stayed up to late? Said something you shouldn’t? I know I have. If they are out of control, they need help to get it back together before they can do any of these things. Feed a hungry kid, put the overtired one to bed, and help the one who is out of control get out of the situation and regroup. It is not making them happy by giving them what they want. It is helping them be successful by giving them what they need.

    1. I agree with you. The element of teaching should outweigh any form of discipline, period. That wasn’t so much the topic of this post. I was suggesting that “time out” as a concept was not effective. Please feel free to read further if you’d like to understand my philosophy. Thanks!

  8. I appreciate your post! I do think figuring out what “costs” the child will be most effective. I’ve had good luck so far with 1,2,3 Magic with timeouts but I do think for things like losing bike privileges for not putting the bike away — logical consequences are so effective! I do feel for the mom who has 4 children and I could see how logical consequences could be difficult to manage as well as how they effect other kids in the family too (as when maybe another sibling wants to ride with an older one but can’t). In the end, I feel my struggle is that disciplining children requires discipline on my part. It can be hard for me to leave a store, restaurant or not go somewhere just because my child can’t handle it. In the end, I appreciate your post because it encourages parents to think about how your child responses to discipline, and if it’s not working — change it up! You give some great practical examples on how to do that. Keep up the great posts!

    In some, I think the heart of the matter isn’t time out vs. no time out but parents knowing what gets through to their children. I was getting ready to try soap with my 3-year-old but just telling her it was a possibly has helped shape up her attitude!

  9. Everyone makes great points but where do you start then ? How do you approach it?? What are the steps. Especially when it comes to bed time an when you have a routine and follow with it always even on holidays ! . But never fails every night like clock work. After 7:00 whind down and a little screen time before to relax . 8-8:30 , 9:00 is the bedtime . Where in between thoes times she’s going to sleep and trying to fall asleep. We do many things to help falling asleep. Bath time @6 dinner is already at 5:30 -6:00 after bath time we calm down dim the lights and watch a little show before bed sometimes not all the time read a book an always during the day get in plenty of cuddle time. But at night she practically holds me lock ball an chain in the bed to co sleep with her the momment I move she’s up questioning where I’m going or to cuddle. She’s got night lights even 2 kitty’s to cuddle her at the foot of the bed. But still cries to be cuddle and won’t let me have any adult time at night time due to waking up every hour to 2 hours at night. I’ve done time out or taking things away with the understanding of why . At night time we can’t get up and cry for mom to stay in the bed all night. It’s seriously putting a strain on my relationship with my husband we’ve been kicked out of our room an sleep in the floor on a mattress in the living room . We’re completely finished at this point

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